I have a great idea for a website, butttttttt (read inside)

So I think I have an idea for a site that has the potential to be really big. . . What I want to tell you about the website: There is nothing out there like it, and I think the market is ripe for it.

Several revenue streams including referrals, paid sponsorships by companies (think how GQ features products), and perhaps, but not necessarily, advertisements that will be highly targeted to the sites audience.

I have nearly 0 knowledge about how to develop websites, so I will need a developer. I think a website of this magnitude would cost thousands of dollars, something I don’t have. From my understanding the only alternative would be to profit share, cut the developer in on a % of the profit that I believe can/will be earned.

What I bring to the table:
the vision/idea/direction industry
connections that will generate revenue/raise brand awareness

What I need done:
someone to develop the site
Someone who will be able to fill in the blanks/bounce development ideas off of .

My questions are.
1) Where can I find an experienced developer interested in, and willing to take the time to listen to my ideas?

2) How can I pitch the idea while still protecting it?. Whats to stop a developer from implementing the idea themselves while cutting me out.

3) What kind of contracts are necessary to ensure a stable business relationship?

4) Whats a fair percentage for the developer to take?

Thanks for your time.

AE check for ++ShowSquare++

(sorry, but you sound JUST like him)

Just in case you’re not him:

1) OT, or plenty of other forums out there full of developers.. but see point 4 below..
2) You can make them sign an NDA, but they could still tweak/modify the idea and/or steal it hoping/assuming you won’t fight it in court.
3) Lots. Have EVERYTHING in writing.. from who does what, to who owns what, to who IS what, to who pays who, to who knows who, etc etc. I’m not joking.
4) Good lucky finding a developer that will do this these days.. most are too scared of getting burned. Most you’ve got to lose if it goes south is, well, an idea. The developer is the one who has to pour in hours, days, months of hard work, late nights, and actual effort.. that’s a lot to ask. If I was going to do something like this, i’d be asking for majority share.

haha yeah right, I agree with above poster

post it on craigslist lol, I see shit posted like this all time looking for partners, claiming the next big thing

this fuckin guy.

Post the idea faggot, I guarantee it’s been done, and if not nobody here is going to take it

…hey, I have this idea, you’re going to do all the work and we’re going to split the profits!

this fuckin guy.

Post the idea faggot, I guarantee it’s been done, and if not nobody here is going to take it

doesn’t it sound like thoses craigslist ads I send you

I want in!

so what are your responsibilities in this project?

im the visionary

Larry Page: I have an idea for a search engine but i have no money and no programming expertise
Sergei Brin: Sure, I’ll build it and we’ll go halves

Just having the idea isn’t enough… lots of people have ideas every day. You need to have the money or the expertise to make the business happen. if you want a partner you need to be equals – that means doing an equal amount of the donkey work.

if you don’t have a couple thousand dollars to build a working prototype to pitch to VCs with, then your connections probably aren’t as good as you think

lol, a cut

i am getting a cut of software i wrote for a guy

but he also paid me for the work i did

those sites suck.

My story:

Coder #1: I was afraid of all those "oh shitty indians are shitty" stories, so I made sure to hire an American. Quote was for 30 days, a year later, he was about 15% done so I fired him.

Coder #2: Said fuck it, and hired the best indian group I could find. Once again quote for 30 days. At least with these, 5 months later they were about 90% done.

So I said fuck that, and started coding another idea on my own while they finish. Sure not from scratch like them, and most of the shit is hardcoded, but at least I can be a lot more committed than them.

those sites suck.

My story:

Coder #1: I was afraid of all those "oh shitty indians are shitty" stories, so I made sure to hire an American. Quote was for 30 days, a year later, he was about 15% done so I fired him.

Coder #2: Said fuck it, and hired the best indian group I could find. Once again quote for 30 days. At least with these, 5 months later they were about 90% done.

So I said fuck that, and started coding another idea on my own while they finish. Sure not from scratch like them, and most of the shit is hardcoded, but at least I can be a lot more committed than them.

I think it all depends, guy I did work for was pretty nice and is giving me 10% of his income from his app

It could work if you have no connections or don’t know how to do it yourself. But I think long gone are the days of "I’ll give you half the money we make!"

If this guy is serious about some idea, you will have to either 1) learn how to do it yourself 2) have real money to pay someone to do it.

Good development isn’t cheap, someone who knows what they are doing will bill you $100+/hr and don’t think it will be done in 30 hours.

The 1990s called, they want their .com boom back.

My advice…

a)learn drupal, do it yourself

It seems like most people on this forum are attempting to make money with affiliate marketing, some kind of youtube clone, a proxy service, or the next 2g1c. What websites do you run?

so what are your responsibilities in this project?

im the visionary

Besides the idea, I have the industry connections to generate revenue, advertise to our target audience, etc.

Larry Page: I have an idea for a search engine but i have no money and no programming expertise
Sergei Brin: Sure, I’ll build it and we’ll go halves

Just having the idea isn’t enough… lots of people have ideas every day. You need to have the money or the expertise to make the business happen. if you want a partner you need to be equals – that means doing an equal amount of the donkey work.

As mentioned above, the partnership stakes would likely not be equal. Besides the idea, I have the industry connections to generate revenue through sponsorships, advertise to our target audience, grow the brand name. Off the top of my head this would include soliciting companies (everything from grassroot to industry leaders) for sponsorships, attending ‘conferences’ to advertise and promote. I also have the resources to guerrilla market which I think would work exceptionally well.

WHY YOU SHOULDN’T KEEP YOUR STARTUP IDEA SECRET

A frequent question entrepreneurs have when they are just starting their company is: how secretive should I be about my idea? My answer: you should talk about it to almost anyone who will listen. This includes investors, entrepreneurs, people who work in similar areas, friends, people on the street, the bartender, etc.

There are lots of benefits to talking to people. You’ll get suggestions for improvements. You’ll discover flaws and hopefully correct them. You’ll learn a lot more about the sector/industry. You’ll learn about competitive products that exist or are being built. You’ll gauge people’s excitement level for the product and for various features. You’ll refine your sales and investor pitch. You might even discover your idea is a bad idea and save yourself years of hitting your head against the wall.

In terms of the risk of someone stealing your idea, there are at best a handful of people in the world who might actually drop everything and copy your idea.

First of all, most people will probably think your idea is stupid. This does not mean your idea is stupid. In fact, if everyone loves your idea, I might be worried that it’s not forward thinking enough.

People at large related companies almost always think they have already built or are in the process of building all the good ideas – so your idea is either something they are already building (which is a good thing to discover early) or else they will dismiss it as a bad idea. (I have a personal diligence rule that when speaking to people at large companies, the facts that they tell you are very useful but their opinions about startup ideas no more valuable than any other smart person’s opinions).

In terms of speaking to other entrepreneurs, the vast majority are already working on something and are highly unlikely to drop everything and copy you. Even if they are in the idea generation phase, high integrity entrepreneurs wouldn’t copy your idea anyways.

VC’s will either not like your idea, or else like it and possibly want to fund you. They vastly prefer funding an existing team than taking an idea and building a team. The one risk is if they have entrepreneurs they are working with in a similar area (see next paragraph). Most VCs have enough integrity to disclose this and let you decide how much detail to go into.

The handful of people in the world who might copy your idea are entrepreneurs just starting up with a very similar idea. You can probably just explicitly avoid these people, although by talking to lots of people your ideas will likely seep through to them.

Even if your idea gets in the wrong hands, they will probably just get the high level “elevator pitch” which isn’t worth much anyways. Hopefully by that time you’ve developed the idea much further and in much greater detail – by talking to as many people as possible.

A note about NDAs: 1) almost no experienced entrepreneurs/VCs will sign them (in fact, you asking them too is widely considered a sign of inexperience), 2) It’s not clear they have any real value – are you really going to spend years suing someone who signed an NDA? I’ve personally never heard of it happening.

++ more than you do ++

Besides the idea, I have the industry connections to generate revenue, advertise to our target audience, etc.

any statement that ends in etc, is a good done —

As mentioned above, the partnership stakes would likely not be equal. Besides the idea, I have the industry connections to generate revenue through sponsorships, advertise to our target audience, grow the brand name. Off the top of my head this would include soliciting companies (everything from grassroot to industry leaders) for sponsorships, attending ‘conferences’ to advertise and promote. I also have the resources to guerrilla market which I think would work exceptionally well.

you have the resources to guerrilla market, you should use your resources to guerrilla software develop —

if you are as legit as you say, your "execution" won’t be cloned anyways, since your connections are what gets your thing off the ground. Ideas are a dime a dozen, it’s the execution that matters.

Resources to guerilla market? WTF does that even mean? A Car? An Internet connection?

Though I think websites are different ballgame, this is applicable and I think I will start pming people.

if you are as legit as you say, your "execution" won’t be cloned anyways, since your connections are what gets your thing off the ground. Ideas are a dime a dozen, it’s the execution that matters.

Resources to guerilla market? WTF does that even mean? A Car? An Internet connection?

Generator + power washer + some stencils + high volume target market = website name/logo stenciled onto concrete.
I agree with you on the connections. Fortunately the content of my idea and being computer savvy are not synonymous, in fact, in most cases polar opposites.
This thormor25 guy seems to have his act together. Dudes ok? Anyone else I should contact?

I am part owner of a web hosting company. We have developed our own clustered, load balanced shared hosting platform that allows users to deploy applications or sites as they normally would in a shared hosting environment, but to have it automatically load balanced and clustered with N+1 and failover in every part of the system. I don’t see how it’s relevent to be honest.

not everyone

yeah I think so too, the "&quot" part, is something that shows up when you are using a proxy

25+ ips, I got bored at looking, but he registered with and uses a canadian isp on some of them, I may check all the ips later

It is him

Notice the lag between his posts

07-27-2009, 07:02 PM

Next post:

09-08-2009, 03:25 AM

Right after -=-=-888=====D-++ShowSquare+++===(|) Is banned from this sub-forum

Do a search of his post history and his IP matches his story, he has ips in brazil too, I highly doubt it is showsquare

Thank you Pepsi1975. Now that this is cleared up; back to the subject at hand.

Well he’s close enough to ShowSquare that he should just be banned anyway

I kid, i kid.

Thank you Pepsi1975. Now that this is cleared up; back to the subject at hand.

You mean… ++Thanks Pepsi++ //I’ve got your back too\

Yeah, this IS ShowSquare btw.. IP-match or not. Fashion site? Idea but no skill? Story changing more often than a paris hiltons fuckbuddies?

guy posts in The Cage also he is from Brazil.

Heres the deal you offer nothing more then an idea, developing something from an idea to a decent site is alot of work. To make it worthwhile for a decent developer even to listen to your idea youll need to disclose the whole thing and to do this youll need to cover yourself.

To cover yourself youll need some good non disclosure ect.. agreements which cost a fair bit to get written up and are tough to enforce especially internationally.

I suggest you two drop it, you have no proof it is, and there is no need to run noobs off with your idiocy

++we don’t need no stinkin noobs++

in your case we don’t need no stinkin noods++

i thought showsquare was bullshit for a long time before he was aired out.

anyways, good luck with the idea ts.